Landing contest?

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Landing contest?

Post by DavideV » Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:42 pm

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I was thinking that maybe people don't like civilian flight because they find it to be boring and no challenging as the military one, so I have this idea: why don't we set a landing contest up?

The target is trying to land an airliner with a simple leg base landing, trying to do it the most aligned, the most leveled, at the lowest speed and vertical rate possible, within the touchdown zone... We can create the very simple scenery with a runway (with TDZ markers and no ILS, maybe just a VOR/NDB) and set point rules. People can do it offline and then save the flight.

I bet that someone could find that to be way more challenging that he has ever thought it would be... ;)
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Re: Landing contest?

Post by SvenPhantom » Sun Jul 03, 2011 11:49 pm

I see more civilian pilots in YS than military...
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Re: Landing contest?

Post by DavideV » Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:15 am

I see a lot of pilots flying civilian planes as though having military ones, and the civ section is desert.. :/
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Re: Landing contest?

Post by Phoenix » Mon Jul 04, 2011 11:53 am

an interesting idea, perhaps this "area" could help train pilots as well.

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Re: Landing contest?

Post by Crazypilot » Mon Jul 04, 2011 8:19 pm

Why not just do it on a server?Line up the planes and make them fly one by one and land one by one and have some judges.
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Re: Landing contest?

Post by DavideV » Mon Jul 04, 2011 9:10 pm

The point is that in order to have points based on speed and distance measurements you need the replay to stop it at the very moment before the touchdown, and take notes.
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Re: Landing contest?

Post by CharleyHotel » Mon Jul 04, 2011 9:15 pm

Or have the judge in observer mode.

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Re: Landing contest?

Post by David » Mon Jul 04, 2011 9:33 pm

Have the contestants in a pattern around the airfield with a suitable seperation. Then one by one, call them down to land. simple ;)

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Re: Landing contest?

Post by CharleyHotel » Mon Jul 04, 2011 9:35 pm

I like that...it also tests the necessary skill of joining a holding pattern.

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Re: Landing contest?

Post by Crazypilot » Mon Jul 04, 2011 9:39 pm

Or for absolutly no lag make the pilots wait in the observer mode while they are all called one at a time like when you go to your doctor and have to wait for your turn.
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Re: Landing contest?

Post by DavideV » Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:09 am

This is what I had in mind...

Let's assume that I want to land an airliner whose landing speed is 150knots with a 15 degrees AOA (eg.: the stock 737). Now, if I land at 190knots with a 10 degrees of AOA, then I have ( 190 - 140 ) + ( 15 - 10 ) = 45 points. Then I have to add the vertical speed that, for a perfect landing, must be as little as possible. If my vertical speed at the moment of the landing is -200 fpm, then I have 45 + 200 = 245. Then I must add the distance from the Aiming Point within the touchdown zone (it can be done by creating a runway with horizontal lines each 50 meters and then counting the lines). If I land 350 meters after the AP then I have 245 + 350 = 595. I still don't have any idea on how to create point rules for runway centerline distance and horizontal level measurement... maybe saving a screenshot and then counting the pixel in the horizontal indicator.

At the end, the winner is the one who has the less point.

The problem in "live judgment" is that you can't do any of these calculations because you can't replay.
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Re: Landing contest?

Post by Phoenix » Tue Jul 05, 2011 11:00 am

I say replays, add one plane after the other. and no holding pattern just land.

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Re: Landing contest?

Post by Crazypilot » Tue Jul 05, 2011 11:41 am

And how about touchdown points based on which landing LOOKED the best. :idea:
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Re: Landing contest?

Post by Phoenix » Tue Jul 05, 2011 11:43 am

thats part of it. the other takes maths into account.

But who judges?

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Re: Landing contest?

Post by DavideV » Tue Jul 05, 2011 12:27 pm

I could. Obviously, I won't take part in the contest.

As a first you can try with this
- stock B767
- Hawaii[PMNV] map
- start from North1000_15 position
- land at Honolulu RWY 22R

These are some in-flight restrictions, just to prevent passengers in the cabin from cussing at you :roll:
- pitch no more than +10/- 15 degrees
- roll no more than 30 degrees
- no flaps over 260kn
- no full flaps over 200kn
- no reverse thrust before touchdown

EDIT: These are the screenshots of my touchdown at the first attempt, just to see how it works.

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In this first image you can see that I'm at 160 knots AIS and 700 fpm of vertical speed (ouch!!) and the pitch is about 7 degrees so (160-150)+(15-7)+700 = 718

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In this second image you can see that there are 12 white lines. If you count the spaces between as lines themselves, then we have a total of 23 lines, 12 white and 11 "black". The central black line corresponds the runway center (zero), so we can count the number of the line over which the tail is and multiply by 100. In my case, I'm on the second on the left, so (2x100) + 718 = 918. With the SceneryEditor I calculated that my touchdown point is about 234 meters from the aiming point. Being a non-precise measurement, I'd say to round it by 50 so I'm 250 meters out of the AP and then my final point is 918 + 250 = 1168

Now it's up to you to do better than me... :lol:

PS. An "how does it look" judgement could be done watching the final: if you make too many wide rolls, if you descend with a good pitch, how you do the flare... If you want to know more about approach and landing, this is a great valuable source of information: https://www.faasafety.gov/gslac/ALC/cou ... 34&sID=163
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Re: Landing contest?

Post by Sarge » Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:15 pm

I would lose. By a LOT. Probably wouldn't make it to the runway, overshoot, or have a messed up approach.
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Re: Landing contest?

Post by Crazypilot » Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:16 pm

Sorry for the revival but we are still doing this right?
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Re: Landing contest?

Post by DavideV » Wed Jul 20, 2011 9:07 pm

Theoretically yes, but I thinks there's little or even no interest in it... I was thinking of making a dedicated scenery but I have stopped.
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Re: Landing contest?

Post by Crazypilot » Wed Jul 20, 2011 9:58 pm

Ask somebody if they can host the contest on their server it is just a landing contest you can do it on any server with their permission.
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Re: Landing contest?

Post by Turbofan » Sun Jul 24, 2011 8:42 pm

Cool idea, I only stumbled on this right now because the day it was posted I was out of town. And I've been quite busy since then. I would take part in it though, but it does appear there is not enough interest yet.
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