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F-22 Has Surprising Disadvantage

Post by VNAF ONE » Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:37 pm

I was going to check my email when I saw this. Out of the billions spent on the F-22 Raptor to be the most superior fighter in the skies, it actually is not as advantageous as previously thought. In fact, it met its match at Red Flag in Alaska. Read all about:

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Re: F-22 Has Surprising Disadvantage

Post by vandal » Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:23 pm

Well... Typhoon fans, be nice with the little F-22, he can't turn so tight. I know you're cheaper and better looking. But I mean the F-22 has stealth...
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Re: F-22 Has Surprising Disadvantage

Post by SvenPhantom » Wed Aug 01, 2012 6:15 am

I've heard in many other reports that the Eurofighter was "slicked off" as much as possible. I want to hear a little bit more on this side but meh, that is the media for you.
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Re: F-22 Has Surprising Disadvantage

Post by Crazypilot » Wed Aug 01, 2012 7:58 am

There is no such thing as a completely 'superior' fighter in real life.
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Re: F-22 Has Surprising Disadvantage

Post by Seagull » Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:28 am

F-22 got alot of kills too...
Luftwaffe Typhoons are the worst equipped ones, i wonder how a RAF FGR.4 with PIRATE and HEA would have scored.
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Re: F-22 Has Surprising Disadvantage

Post by iqmal_97 » Wed Aug 01, 2012 10:55 am

Ah, good ol' classic dogfighting, just like in WW1. I'm not surprised. No machine could be considered "perfect" in every single way. The Raptor is overwhelmingly good at BVR combat, but the Eurofighter's manoeuvrability just excells the Raptor when it comes to turning dogfights. But that doesn't mean the Raptor is completely hopeless in all situations. With the arrival of the F-35 Lightning II, I'm really interested to see how it'll all work out.
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Re: F-22 Has Surprising Disadvantage

Post by Crazypilot » Wed Aug 01, 2012 1:37 pm

It depends on the pilots as well. I remember our pilots beat the RAF Eurofighters with F-16's easily since the RAF pilots weren't as good in classic dogfight engagements as they were in BVR.
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Post by Cougar » Wed Aug 01, 2012 9:18 pm

Crazypilot wrote:It depends on the pilots as well. I remember our pilots beat the RAF Eurofighters with F-16's easily since the RAF pilots weren't as good in classic dogfight engagements as they were in BVR.

PAF shot down RAF Eurofighters at Red Flag? I'll believe it when I see it. lol. Sad to see the F-22 suffering, hope the F-35 does better than the F-22.

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Re: F-22 Has Surprising Disadvantage

Post by Seagull » Thu Aug 02, 2012 8:23 am

Cougar wrote:
Crazypilot wrote:It depends on the pilots as well. I remember our pilots beat the RAF Eurofighters with F-16's easily since the RAF pilots weren't as good in classic dogfight engagements as they were in BVR.

PAF shot down RAF Eurofighters at Red Flag? I'll believe it when I see it. lol. Sad to see the F-22 suffering, hope the F-35 does better than the F-22.
Well i think it wasnt at Red Flag cause RAF typhoons were never at Red Flag. They was at Green Flag...

Found interesting pic.. Jg74 Typhoon in shoot position of Agressor F-16

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Re: F-22 Has Surprising Disadvantage

Post by Crazypilot » Thu Aug 02, 2012 9:40 am

Cougar wrote:
Crazypilot wrote:It depends on the pilots as well. I remember our pilots beat the RAF Eurofighters with F-16's easily since the RAF pilots weren't as good in classic dogfight engagements as they were in BVR.

PAF shot down RAF Eurofighters at Red Flag? I'll believe it when I see it. lol. Sad to see the F-22 suffering, hope the F-35 does better than the F-22.
Red Flag or Green Flag, it did happen.

Any ways, now the USAF should know the F-22's weakness and start working on it or else their 'perfect' plane, wont be perfect any more.
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Re: F-22 Has Surprising Disadvantage

Post by VNAF ONE » Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:54 am

We know the F-22 isn't perfect. We've been grounding them on and off for over a year because of that. The problem is, they were designed for air superiority and superior maneuverability. They were promised to be able to out turn any other modern, 4th generation aircraft and they are already being taken out of that realm. The Raptor's weakness is surprisingly where it should stand superior and that is the deal. However the Air Force is more focused on BVR combat so this is not being taken very heavily as the other fighters in the operation have already pointed out that this is no problem. It is most likely that enemy aircraft will be shot down before they can get close enough to tangle.
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