ATC session - July 17

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ATC session - July 17

Post by Turbofan » Mon Jul 11, 2016 3:05 am

ATC Session - July 17, 2016
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Server: Civilian Aviation Server; Weapons Loaded
Address: civav.ddns.net
Time: 12:00p.m. U.S. Central (17:00 GMT)
Map: Central Mediterranean Islands - Extended

Mandiola Center: 120.8 --> Controls Linbury City, Mandiola and Ocaso Airports
Malta Center: 127.5 --> Controls Malta and Pantelleria Airports

Link to airport diagrams and NavMap if anyone needs some reference: http://imgur.com/a/tQCB2

Hello everyone,

Patrick31337 and I would like to invite you to some hours of fun on the civav server. We'll have an ATC session on Sunday, July 17.

If Pat will be operating OYS in a day/night cycle, no worries as all airfields have airfield lighting. There is also adequate city lighting (although that's more for your eyes than for navigational purposes :P)

Since the amount of traffic in such events has historically been pretty skimpy, there will be two "center" controllers at most. One will be Mandiola Center, which will govern traffic at LNB, MXA and OCA and surrounding airspaces, the other will be Malta Center, which will govern MLA and PNL traffic, and surrounding airspace.

Since elaborate taxi instructions, detailed flight plans and all the other shebang that used to be done in the past is - well, a thing of the past, all I ask is you please follow some simple guidelines:

- Log in with your callsign. This will help me and any other air traffic controllers quickly identify your particular flight and help reduce the chance of errors. So if you plan on doing NCA flight 1063, your log in username will be NCA 1063.
- There are plenty (as in 267) start positions with multiple start positions at each airport. So spawning at any one airfield should not be a problem. Just let the controller know what your callsign is, what startposition you're at, and where you plan on flying. E.g. "Malta Center, NatCom 1063 at Malta Airport, gate 1, destination Linbury, ready for taxi." Simple right?
- Since there are going to be at most two frequencies, if you are going to be on Teamspeak, you can change your frequency if need be while enroute to your destination. So if you're flying LNB-MLA for instance, once you're given clearance to "resume own navigation", you can go ahead and switch to Malta Center, and vice versa. If you're going to use F12 chat, obviously you can just type it out when you need. "Malta Center, Natcom..."
- When contacting for pushback, just contact the center controller.
- You'll need to contact the respective center when you need to request descent. I suggest you contact the respective center no less than 50 miles from your destination. That will give the center controller some leeway and help ensure a smooth, controlled descent, as opposed to a steep one.
- Some friendly advice: Readback of most ATC instructions would be very helpful (it is in fact, required). Now when I mean most, I mean most, not all. You don't have to read back wind conditions. And please do not give status updates (e.g. now taxiing to RWY 36L, now pushing back from Gate 3, etc). Just readback the instruction so that the controller knows you have heard them.

This is how a typical flight will go:
You log in with your callsign, spawn at an un-occupied start position. Contact either Mandiola Center or Malta Center, you get clearance to go, take off, resume own navigation*, then, when you're ready to start descent (should be no less than 50 miles from your destination airport), contact the proper center again, and the controller will guide you down. Land, taxi to gate.

That's about it. Note that we will also use F12 chat, but if there are 3-4 aircraft on one frequency at one time, F12 chat responses will be delayed.

*If you need directions en-route, just ask and the controller will give them to you

NOTE: This post may be edited as and when required so do check back periodically until the event begins.
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Re: ATC session - July 17

Post by dbd000 » Mon Jul 11, 2016 4:10 am

But what happens if more than one flight is on the same flight number?

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Re: ATC session - July 17

Post by Nodoka Hanamura » Mon Jul 11, 2016 4:15 am

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Re: ATC session - July 17

Post by Neocon » Mon Jul 11, 2016 4:30 am

dbd000 wrote:But what happens if more than one flight is on the same flight number?
The way we handled that the other night was the first who spawned added an "A" to the end, second added a "B", and third added a "C". I suppose another option would be to add your name at the end, like "NCA1063-Patrick".

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Re: ATC session - July 17

Post by u2fly » Mon Jul 11, 2016 8:54 am

Updated "Air Traffic Control YSFlight: Guide for Pilots" by Dave and Dan (18Jun2016)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZOO ... asic?pli=1

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Re: ATC session - July 17

Post by Turbofan » Mon Jul 11, 2016 11:21 am

^Thanks for the links u2fly. That is a pretty good guide, we'll do pretty much the same but handing-off and some other tasks will not be required (unless, of course you need to switvh to the other center). As I've mentioned, each center will be responsible for all ground, taxi/takeoff/landing clearances of their respective airports so as to prevent controller boredom. :P
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Re: ATC session - July 17

Post by AdityaB » Mon Jul 11, 2016 11:30 am

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

Boi July 17!!!...i Guess I won't be able to make it :(

Enjoy you all :)

Just a tip, to make stuff easy for the controllers :P ... Why not use ysatc radar... Done one has to make the files for the same... :P

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Re: ATC session - July 17

Post by The Second Maverick » Mon Jul 11, 2016 11:32 am

same here, I think I can't join if it's on Sunday :( . TFan, could you change the schedule to Saturday? If yes that will be highly appreciated.

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Re: ATC session - July 17

Post by Turbofan » Mon Jul 11, 2016 11:45 am

^I'll see what Pat and I can do, but I won't be able to make it on Saturday as I will be very busy with other stuff. I believe Saturdays are Pat's busy days as well. I'll get in touch with him but chances are slim that we can shift this to Saturday. I do apologize for the inconvenience!
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Re: ATC session - July 17

Post by NajmiCreative » Mon Jul 11, 2016 12:52 pm

not to disturb but Dan also planned to make ATC session too a week after yours with using map Tennessee and text only communications (5-10 pm British Summer Time)
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Re: ATC session - July 17

Post by Gunny » Mon Jul 11, 2016 12:54 pm

Turbo or Pat.Will the service be voice or text or both?
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Re: ATC session - July 17

Post by Neocon » Mon Jul 11, 2016 1:10 pm

Gunny wrote:Turbo or Pat.Will the service be voice or text or both?
I'll let Tfan answer that for sure, but I'm hoping for at least a little text service. When I run TS during an event, it makes a lot of lag.
NajmiCreative wrote:Dan also planned to make ATC session too a week after yours with using map Tennessee
Yes, and their event will be on a Saturday. Hopefully anyone who can't attend on Sunday will be able to make it the next weekend.

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Re: ATC session - July 17

Post by u2fly » Mon Jul 11, 2016 1:36 pm

Gunny wrote:Turbo or Pat.Will the service be voice or text or both?
It would be cool if its could be availiable on YSFHQ IRC channel!
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Re: ATC session - July 17

Post by AdityaB » Mon Jul 11, 2016 2:46 pm

well, as mentioned/suggested above by me :P
here it is......
cmi point file ysatc radar.zip
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took a while to open TFan's CMI on scenery editor :)

anyway, instructions for usage and other stuff here
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Re: ATC session - July 17

Post by Barr » Mon Jul 11, 2016 4:29 pm

Cool sign me up!

Pat if you could run the atc radar server that would be awesome for controllers and pilots. But dont know if thatll cuase you lag.


Now if we did want to file flight plans before hand will that help? Or will we just follow the "simple guidlines"
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Re: ATC session - July 17

Post by VNAF ONE » Mon Jul 11, 2016 4:47 pm

Should be able to count me in. If you see me around (I'll let you know it's me), expect legit ATC-pilot comms :lol:

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Re: ATC session - July 17

Post by Turbofan » Mon Jul 11, 2016 11:52 pm

Some feedback on the repsonses above:

- I am delighted that there is greater interest in this than previous such events. Hopefully we'll have a good turnout. Again, apologies to those who won't be able to attend due to day/time constraints, we always try to make it to where everyone can come for at least a while.

- Yes, there will be use of F12 chat. I mentioned this in the original post also. But we will use Teamspeak also. I will contact admin to set up the two center frequencies.

- Thank you for posting the link to the YSATC 2 radar Aditya and your work on it for CMI Extended. Now I took a quick look at the steps required to make this operational, and I don't mean to be blunt, but doing ATC like I normally do using F5/F7 in viewer mode seems easier. That being said, I will take a look at it if I have time. Question: do you need python installed to run this software? I know you need it to run Blender, but I'm not sure on this one.

- If most everyone wishes to see what flights are being planned by those who plan on joining, we can have a simple listing of flights (by airline and flight number where applicable, and by callsign for military flights). This will help prevent users from having to log out all the way again just add an "A", "L" or any other letter as a suffix to their callign in the event there are multiple flights on the same flight number.
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Re: ATC session - July 17

Post by AdityaB » Tue Jul 12, 2016 1:41 am

Turbofan wrote:Now I took a quick look at the steps required to make this operational, and I don't mean to be blunt, but doing ATC like I normally do using F5/F7 in viewer mode seems easier. That being said, I will take a look at it if I have time.
yes, i agree with you about the F5/F7 view :)
we, anyway, needed .point (and .par etc...) files for future :)
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Turbofan wrote: Question: do you need python installed to run this software? I know you need it to run Blender, but I'm not sure on this one.
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Re: ATC session - July 17

Post by Barr » Tue Jul 12, 2016 2:35 am

I do believe you need python and its library installed but I think when you install blender with the ys scripts you install it as well.

Also now that I really look at it the atc radar wont be too helpful when controlling multiple airports unless you can open up more than one client to monitor each airport. Plus I dont know how much Pats computer can handle.
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