Japanese repaints and addon copyright discussion
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Re: Japanese repaints and addon copyright discussion
I agree. Just use the normal copyright laws. They are international, so it should be a good standard.Nodoka Hanamura wrote:Convince Japanese Modders to use the Creative Commons Licenses for copyrighting their works. For instance, BY-NC-ND 4.0 essentially prohibits profiting off the content and making derivatives - Whereas where modders like Zephyr with XLP can use BY-NC-SA, meaning that You cannot profit off the content but you can create derivatives as long as you release them under BY-NC-SA. It would be best to use the regular copyright logo regarding content requiring permission. This would help break this language barrier issue.
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Re: Japanese repaints and addon copyright discussion
I know that. but so what? It's not your right, sorrowfully.Swift wrote:that would kill a lot of great addons...
Idea is not worse. But, how do you "convince" all of them? Creative Commons Licenses are effective only after each creater declare (and use logos) them.Nodoka Hanamura wrote:Convince Japanese Modders to use the Creative Commons Licenses for copyrighting their works.
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i can't find anything to say to that that's not a good thingK2W wrote:I know that. but so what? It's not your right, sorrowfully.Swift wrote:that would kill a lot of great addons...
do what you want
Re: Japanese repaints and addon copyright discussion
But already many packs are using original license. This is also true.
Original Licenses are written in Japanese... So HQ Modders are difficult to read them.
Umm... I thought needed "License Check Thread" here...?
Before repaint planes what original(or difficult to understand or unreadable) license, ask the plane license at the thread.
And stock FAQ for some packs(Like "Umaibow F-15's repaint need to get license for modding at Umaibow's Twitter.") somewhere.
This is very very difficult problem... Umm...
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Re: Japanese repaints and addon copyright discussion
K2W, I think your idea of killing addon is not the solution to this problem. I don't think ANYONE will benefit by killing the addons. You also got to think of the way we both can make YSFlight better. Killing addons would just shrink the possibilities that YSFlight have, and no one wants that to happen.K2W wrote:I know that. but so what? It's not your right, sorrowfully.Swift wrote:that would kill a lot of great addons...
Idea is not worse. But, how do you "convince" all of them? Creative Commons Licenses are effective only after each creater declare (and use logos) them.Nodoka Hanamura wrote:Convince Japanese Modders to use the Creative Commons Licenses for copyrighting their works.
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Re: Japanese repaints and addon copyright discussion
Since English is the international standard, I wish there is also an English licenses (terms of use) in Japanese packs like "do not modify without my permission".mrmofumofu wrote:Original Licenses are written in Japanese... So HQ Modders are difficult to read them.
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Re: Japanese repaints and addon copyright discussion
I agree with KM6. The key point here K2W is that both Japanese modders and YSFHQ must both come to agree. I can agree with all but disallowing the preservation of older mods - that is something me and quite a few others may refuse to budge on. Software that is abandoned, much like the type of mods in question, are considered in the US and elsewhere as "abandonware", meaning that although their copyright is still in effect, No one is enforcing it due to its' age or due to the creator leaving YS. You can read more about it here: https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/アバンダンウェアKM6BZH wrote:K2W, I think your idea of killing addon is not the solution to this problem. I don't think ANYONE will benefit by killing the addons. You also got to think of the way we both can make YSFlight better. Killing addons would just shrink the possibilities that YSFlight have, and no one wants that to happen.K2W wrote:I know that. but so what? It's not your right, sorrowfully.Swift wrote:that would kill a lot of great addons...
Idea is not worse. But, how do you "convince" all of them? Creative Commons Licenses are effective only after each creater declare (and use logos) them.Nodoka Hanamura wrote:Convince Japanese Modders to use the Creative Commons Licenses for copyrighting their works.
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Re: Japanese repaints and addon copyright discussion
That being said. I strongly believe that it is a waste not to share dead addons when the creator disappears, however, it wouldn't hurt to start getting in contact with the original creator (like Joker did with Zepher) and ask permission to re-upload. If that doesn't work, well, I won't tell you what to do.
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Re: Japanese repaints and addon copyright discussion
Yes - K2W-san, the last thing we mean is to bring hostility here. I was merely stating what I was seeing and what is fact. Diplomacy usually requires coming to a compromise. Luckily for Japanese Developers, our agreement is "more closer to them" then it is to us.Vic Viper wrote:Just a quick aside, just remember guys that K2 is simply letting us know how the modder's feel on these subjects, don't shoot the messenger.
That being said. I strongly believe that it is a waste not to share dead addons when the creator disappears, however, it wouldn't hurt to start getting in contact with the original creator (like Joker did with Zepher) and ask permission to re-upload. If that doesn't work, well, I won't tell you what to do.
What this means is that we're complying with most of what you want, however, we merely hold strong resentment regarding re-uploading works no longer accessible from the original creator.
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Re: Japanese repaints and addon copyright discussion
1. Rewrite the Terms and Conditions which is in Japanese to English.
2. Make a English Terms and conditions for each addon.
This should resolve the problem, but we need the Japanese modders to agree (or disagree).
I also made a terms and condition template for anyone to use.
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Re: Japanese repaints and addon copyright discussion
For instance - https://twitter.com/umaibow_915/status/ ... 9395726336
This was GrunSolutions' Official Twitter account asking Umaibow-san for permissions regarding his Su-27. We also went to NajmiCreative on our discord and asked for permissions so we can use his Su-30s. Being nice is key. if they ask why, explain why.
If you are declined, use this opportunity to scratch model it - keep at it, and you may even outdo the original in terms of quality!
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Re: Japanese repaints and addon copyright discussion
Maybe better propose for YSFHQ and Japanese members use only CreativeCommons licenses? Them include already translations for most used languages in the world and have few different types with different conditions.KM6BZH wrote:This should resolve the problem, but we need the Japanese modders to agree (or disagree).
CC Licenses - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/
Here is special license choose helper - https://creativecommons.org/choose/
Also, I hope soon it would be possible implement CC License chooser into YSFHQ upload dialog.
I like how FlightGear work with licensing add-ons (they must be under GPL), and hope YSFlight also allow some standart license.
As for me, CC BY-SA 4.0 is best license for YSFHQ add-ons (Wikipedia also use it).
https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0
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Re: Japanese repaints and addon copyright discussion
I understand that the Japanese community are adamant that models are not re-uploaded post leaving YS. Strictly speaking, yes copyright law would indicate that their wishes should be upheld. That being said, I believe that in one way or another these addons would continued to be shared among everyone, if not officially on HQ.
Another option would be to consider a grandfather clause with the new addon upload criteria. The clause would acknowledge that previous addons that broke copyright were made/used in a non-malicious manner, but are still allowed to be released/circulated for the good of the community/YS as a whole. Anything made after this date would have to adhere to the addon criteria and sign/tick a waiver when uploading, noting that copyright use is granted by the original modder. Any addon found to be breaking the upload criteria after this date, if reported, would be locked and link removed until copyright infringement is fixed. Obviously this would require that the original modders accept this arrangement - I stress again, for the good of the community. So many addons have been created and only recently has it been noted that these copyrights have been broken.
The idea of Fair Use may relate to our use of models outside of specific copyright, specifically that there is no commercial gain from it. We cannot rely on it and should be proactively moving towards fixing this problem. Additionally, the main reason for this infringement is the lack of communication and inability to read the copyright information in the readme files - which are often corrupted.
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Re: Japanese repaints and addon copyright discussion
My suggestion and personal policy is to try not to violate a modder's wishes from here on, and stop using anything once I know it violates their wishes. Also, contacting for permission first is always a good idea if possible.
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I can always do translations if any of you need. Just pm me the text.
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