5 Minute Yoke.

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5 Minute Yoke.

Post by Honey Badger » Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:32 pm

Hey guys. Found this on the Flightgear forums. The design is ingenious and amazingly simple. This place seemed the best for it, but feel free to move it necessary. It copied word for word from Flightgear. All changes made for Ysflight are in [] and credits to Sety. The full article can be read here: http://flightgear.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1956



5 minute yoke.

So you've just downloaded flightgear [Ys Flight] and realised that it's 2:00AM, the computer shops are closed, and let's face it - flying an aircraft with a mouse just sucks. Here's a home made yoke that took me 5 minutes to make.

Instructions below.

yoke.jpg [picture on page 3]

You need:
The right sized cardboard box, I used a box for a wireless router.
1 empty paper towel/gladwrap/foil roll.
1 piece of packing foam that loosely resembles a yoke.
1 optical mouse
1 roll of sticky tape
1 pencil
A pairing knife

Instructions:
Using your roll as a guide mark out and cut a hole in the front and rear for the empty roll (now referred to as the control column) to slide through.

Mark out the centre of your foam yoke but cut the hole slightly smaller and force it on to the control column. There should be enough friction for it to not need glue. [wrap an old mouse pad around the control column so that the mouse can read it better.]

Place the mouse on top of the box, with the mouse backwards to how you'd normally use it (so that the buttons are facing you), mark it out and cut it.

Insert the control column/yoke assembly through the holes you made, place the mouse into the cut out you made for it and tape it in, taping around the edge of the mouse so that it won't rock sideways.

The final step in construction is to limit the control throw (Not pictured in the photo) Use your knife to drill two small holes in the top and bottom of the end of the control column that is protruding from the back of the box, and insert the pencil you where using through them so that most of the pencil is in the air, and just the tip is pointing downwards. This will stop the control column from coming out with too much up elevator, and will also limit the aileron when the pencil hits the desk. Full aileron will be just over 90deg which is the same as a Cessna, so it'll be pretty realistic.

You'll also need to reduce your mouse (control mode) sensitivity in FG so that it can never reach full aileron or elevator. This is very important, because if you don't it'll go out of alignment as soon as you reach it. [in other words, you to keep the mouse from reaching the edge of the screen. If it does, say left edge, when you "level off" the yoke, the mouse will be pushed to the right.]

It will also go out of alignment after a while, especially if you make very fast control inputs on a slow computer, so configure a mouse button to centre the controls... When it goes out of alignment, just centre your yoke and tap the mouse button. [Flightgear has three mouse modes. Every time you change modes, the mouse is automatically centered. For ys, put the yoke to neutral then move a second mouse (for clicking) untill it is centered.]

Make sure your yoke is centred when you start the sim.

Enjoy,
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Edit: Forgot to add that the tube and foam yoke can be replaced with plastic, or better yet, a real airplane yoke ;) (see link)
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Re: 5 Minute Yoke.

Post by vincent » Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:16 pm

I would like to see a picture of it.

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Re: 5 Minute Yoke.

Post by Gunny » Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:25 pm

Its on page 3 of the link Vincent. :)

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Re: 5 Minute Yoke.

Post by DavideV » Thu Aug 11, 2011 1:38 pm

I'm building it!!! Instead of a foam/plastic/paper/whateverelse yoke, I'm attaching a playstation-like joystick I had, so I can also have rudder and view control...
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Re: 5 Minute Yoke.

Post by Doomsday » Thu Aug 11, 2011 2:05 pm

Interesting Idea

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Re: 5 Minute Yoke.

Post by Honey Badger » Thu Aug 11, 2011 2:26 pm

Awesome! The creator knows of an old c-172n wreck near his house. He plans on using the yoke from the plane instead of the one he made.
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Re: 5 Minute Yoke.

Post by Gunny » Thu Aug 11, 2011 6:28 pm

now that the theory is out there only your imagination will limit you.
But heres an idea put a stop on the back of the dowel so you cant pull it all the way past the mouse. ;)

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Post by Crazypilot » Thu Aug 11, 2011 6:49 pm

I am goign to customize mine with a livery and my name. ;)
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Re: 5 Minute Yoke.

Post by Honey Badger » Thu Aug 11, 2011 9:55 pm

Gunny wrote:But heres an idea put a stop on the back of the dowel so you cant pull it all the way past the mouse. ;)
That's what the pencil is for. It goes through two holes on the end of the "control column" to limit you from from pulling it out or turning to far. See "final step" ;)
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Re: 5 Minute Yoke.

Post by Gunny » Thu Aug 11, 2011 10:30 pm

My bad aragorn I missed that.Its the eyes that go first. :lol:

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Re: 5 Minute Yoke.

Post by DavideV » Fri Aug 12, 2011 1:59 pm

I've done it. A lot loosy, maybe I'll go with a wooden version... But the fact that I can turn the visual AND pitch/roll with one hand is epic! :D
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Post by Crazypilot » Fri Aug 12, 2011 9:20 pm

Have not made yet only got the supplies ready.
A question when I am using will it feel like I am using a real joystick or will it have to be used from another angle.
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Re: 5 Minute Yoke.

Post by Honey Badger » Fri Aug 12, 2011 10:53 pm

Pictures would be nice.
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Re: 5 Minute Yoke.

Post by DavideV » Sat Aug 13, 2011 7:47 am

Crazypilot wrote:Have not made yet only got the supplies ready.
A question when I am using will it feel like I am using a real joystick or will it have to be used from another angle.
Not a stick like the F16 one, but a yoke like a Cessna.

BTW, the effectiveness of it strictly depends on the materials you will use to build it and how you build it. For example, I used foam and cardboard and it went off calibration extremely often, and that was really annoying. Plus, the diameter of the tube should be as large as possible: a small tube will force you to make large right/left movements with the yoke.

I dismounted it, but I think I can easily re-mount and make a picture...
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Re: 5 Minute Yoke.

Post by Dragon029 » Sat Aug 13, 2011 9:53 am

Speaking of that, when I first read this I was thinking of a stick and then came up with an idea of how to make one:

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I have no idea if it'd work - in the ideal physics world it would, but here on Earth I'm a bit doubtful.

Anyway:

So you have a mouse in a small custom-made box (measure, cut, fold, tape, then blutack or whatever to make it stick with it.

Then on top of that you loosely tape or something a thin cardboard tube. Ideally hinges or whatever would work better, but that's over doing it.

Grab a shoebox, grab another cardboard tube, except wider. Cut a hole in the shoebox a tad bigger than the tube so that you can pivot it around in the hole.

Chuck the small tube in the bigger one and the little box in the big box, Put it into the middle of the box, then like glue some macaronia (not really, just something wide) onto the edge of the big tube so that it can't slider in further.

????

Profit?

The issues however are that the mouse/smallbox could yaw, causing the input to be strange.

Otherwise though it would work a lot like advertised - you'd just need to invert the mouse controls (otherwise stick forward = mouse back =/= pitch down).
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Re: 5 Minute Yoke.

Post by DavideV » Sat Aug 13, 2011 10:34 am

Here my previous attempt

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Controls on the joystick:
left stick - view
right stick - rudder
right buttons - VOR selection and rotate, brakes
L1/L2 - flaps
R1/R2 - throttle
buttons 9/10 - spoiler
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Re: 5 Minute Yoke.

Post by Crazypilot » Sat Aug 13, 2011 12:14 pm

Two mouses can be attached right?
I am making one now.
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Re: 5 Minute Yoke.

Post by Honey Badger » Sat Aug 13, 2011 4:14 pm

@Dragon. Very nice.

@David. How would left/right work. Your pivot prevents this. (btw, nice model. I'm nowhere near that good in Sketchup)

@Crazypilot. Yes, you can have two mice, as long as you have two ports i.e. usb and analog, usb x2. (possibly two analog ports, but I've never that.)
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Post by DavideV » Sat Aug 13, 2011 9:27 pm

I think you confused Dragon with me.. ;)
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Re: 5 Minute Yoke.

Post by Crazypilot » Sat Aug 13, 2011 10:22 pm

I am making yoke as I speak.The prototype is complete and now I am uploading it and by day after tommorow a cardboard and WHITE SQUISHY STUFF MATERIAL version of my joystick will be made and pictures will be in this post via edit.
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