Raptor vs Flanker
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Raptor vs Flanker
I take back what I said about the F-22's beauty but F-22 vs SU-33?Who would win in terms of air superiority?
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Re: Raptor vs Flanker
A more realistic comparison would be Su-33 vs Typhoon and Raptor vs PAKFA (or whatever the new Rusky jet is going to be called).
In short, CrazyPilot, the Raptor is the current champion of the skies. Search your feelings, you know it to be true.
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What Timmayx is saying is that the F-35 and F-22 are two wholly different platforms. It'd be like comparing the F-15 to the F-4: one is effectively a whole R&D cycle newer with a completely different mission and set of users.
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To conclude - why pick the Sea Flanker? As a comparison to comparable naval fighters, like the F-14D, F/A-18E, and Rafale M, it would be quite useful. When compared to a top of the line land based stealth fighter, however, I think the Su-33 is a fairly poor representative of the series.
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So far the J-20 is proving difficult to really assess - for example, footage has been showing things like the aircraft pulling medium turns with it's canards pointed downward and elevons pointed upward. We also know that despite this, the aircraft has a CG far forward of the CP and it tends to fly a fair bit with a somewhat high positive angle on its canards during forward flight. These things can be explained, but they themselves show curiosity at Chengdu's methods.
The J-16 is to be a stealth J-11 (Chinese Flanker) and will be somewhat of a competitor to the F-35 or F-15SE (if it ever gets a customer) as a cheap(er) LO platform. It's meant to fly this year, so if they remain on schedule, we'll be seeing it shortly.
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We also don't know exactly what their Phase 2 engines will be like - they've put out target max thrust levels, but there's a chance they could exceed their expectations like the F135 did for P&W. They plan on putting 2.5D thrust vectoring shaped nozzles on with those engines as well, so we don't know what control authority or rear stealth signatures will be like with those added.
As for China - it is definitely possible they'll delay the first flight of the J-16, or it'll receive set-backs, but I personally think that if that happens, it won't be by much - 3 new aircraft (J-10, J-15, J-20) in under a decade ain't bad, even if one of them has less inspiration than a hobo. Then again, there is always the chance the J-16 will be replaced by a J-10C or additional J-20 orders.
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Opinions aren't relevant to this: facts are. We're dealing with facts.Crazypilot wrote:Guys I only asked for your opinion remember that!Don't turn this into a SU lovers vs Raptor lovers war of the words.
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"If they were to meet with two equal pilots, who would win?"
I mean, Even the F-15 and 16 can be compared this way.
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If God had wanted the army to fly, he would have made the sky brown.
If God meant man to fly, He'd have given us bigger wallets.
If God had meant for men to fly he would have made their bones hollow and not their heads.
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