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TeamSpeak Usage

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Re: TeamSpeak Usage

Post by Ace Lord » Tue Feb 11, 2014 3:51 am

Most other Teamspeak servers I've connected to have an "Off-Topic" area to keep issues like this from happening. WoT Teamspeak servers are all clan oriented and come with a perma-ban to those not affiliated with the clan. I have not found any KSP Teamspeak servers as of yet, but it is probable there are none.
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Re: TeamSpeak Usage

Post by MD5Ray01 » Tue Feb 11, 2014 3:55 am

I may not be psychic, but I could see this decision potentially having disastrous consequences for YSFHQ. This may drive away potential members.
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Re: TeamSpeak Usage

Post by wingzfan99 » Tue Feb 11, 2014 4:00 am

MD5Ray01 wrote:I may not be psychic, but I could see this decision potentially having disastrous consequences for YSFHQ. This may drive away potential members.
I think disastrous might be a strong word. It will drive away a couple of people that never had anything to do with YS in the first place, but most of us are here on YSFlight Headquarters for... ahem...

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Re: TeamSpeak Usage

Post by Ace Lord » Tue Feb 11, 2014 4:09 am

wingzfan99 wrote:I think disastrous might be a strong word. It will drive away a couple of people that never had anything to do with YS in the first place, but most of us are here on YSFlight Headquarters for... ahem...

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I use the HQ Teamspeak for non-YS game chatting because I am familiar with the users and, up until this point, everyone has been fine with myself and Ray switching channels away from the main cluster of users currently connected.
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Re: TeamSpeak Usage

Post by Eric » Tue Feb 11, 2014 4:37 am

I am certainly aware of your concerns, and anticipated them before I posted this. Hopefully this response addresses them.

Perhaps this isn't the best way of going about it, but the underlying problem I'm trying to solve is that we need more activity in YS. I have ideas on how to increase it through other means, but that takes a great deal of time and effort. In the meantime: If we're off playing other games on a server for YSFlight, doesn't that seem a bit counter-intuitive to you? Having an "Other Games" section was my initial idea - however after talking to other admins it became apparent that wasn't going to solve the problem or address the concerns of those worried about the TeamSpeak server straying too far from its original purpose.

I know many of you already have the capability to host a YSFlight server. If you want to start a new TeamSpeak server for you and your friends' use, then go right ahead. If you have a substantial YSFlight VA or squadron already in place, you get your own private channel which may be subject to less scrutiny.

As owners of the server, we are making the choice to focus on YSFlight, because frankly, we can't afford to waver from that mission. Personally, I've put in countless hours into the game & its community simply because I want to see my childhood project transform into something much greater, something we can all be proud of. I know this decision is going to upset some of you, and may hurt us a little in the short-term. But in the long run, this will make us a stronger and more focused community.

I hope you are able to see this other way of thinking. You certainly do not have to agree with it, but I would like its validity to be acknowledged. Thanks for voicing your concerns.
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Re: TeamSpeak Usage

Post by Doomsday » Tue Feb 11, 2014 5:19 am

There are numerous of other options to communicate with friends when playing, I use steam chat when playing with CS:GO or any kind of steam game with my buddies. I used group calls Skype when I played World of Tanks with friends. There are more than just teamspeak when it comes to communicating to people when playing any kind of game.

On a side note, be sure to change your teamspeak voice settings to "Push-to-Talk", nobody wants to hear your rambling on what you are going to put on your rocket when playing Kerbal Space Program on the main channel.
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Re: TeamSpeak Usage

Post by Shutter » Tue Feb 11, 2014 6:38 am

I'd say a misc section is always a good idea. 171TS never had more than about 50% ys talk in the main area (if that), and we were about as good as it got in terms of ys-related ts.

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Re: TeamSpeak Usage

Post by NightRaven » Tue Feb 11, 2014 7:45 am

Woah, shutter is back?

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On-topic,
I do agree with shutter about having a Misc section like our forum. I'm pretty sure there's more activity there than most other sections.
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Re: TeamSpeak Usage

Post by Alpha Star » Tue Feb 11, 2014 9:11 am

I am afraid I cannot agree to this. The community here are close, we have a group of friends close together on that teamspeak. We don't want to be changing channel just to talk about a game or even server. There is a group of the regulars that all play games together. If these new rules go ahead, I am going to say now it WILL have a bad effect on the teamspeak and forum. I want this to thrive but YSFlight its self just isn't sufficient enough to hold a teamspeak just for the people. Only about 10 people a day on average fly on YSFlight. To sustain a community, I recommend that its a teamspeak server for the people that are on YSFHQ. On it, they do what they like, within the rules stated before now. If this doesn't happen then I have to agree with MD5Ray01 by "having disastrous consequences for YSFHQ"
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Re: TeamSpeak Usage

Post by Midnight Rambler » Tue Feb 11, 2014 9:51 am

I suppose you have to ask if it really is one of the big issues. Obviously people are divided.

So I guess it comes down to this: Does this erroneous usage add any cost to YSFHQ? If yes; is it worth having this cost to get people onto a YS related site, and maybe getting people interested in YSFlight?


The way I see it: People online = good. The game servers are rarely used these days and people regularly on TS may get people interested in being regularly online and onto HQ. This may in turn get people flying regularly again - this may be stretching it a tad.
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Re: TeamSpeak Usage

Post by Flake » Tue Feb 11, 2014 10:23 am

I would personally be okay with people just showing bit more collateral respect in regards to moving to a seperate channel to discuss other business, and to not speak to themselves with the mic on...

I think, this should be a matter of balance.

As shutter says, 171st stuff was roughly 50% YS, maybe less.

That's fair go, as lon as nothing else is over the YS usage.

Balance. 6 days of Kerbal/World of Tanks and then 1 day of YS isn't right or fair use of the server, vice versa, is.

That said, my thoughts on the now lack of Kerbal/WoT:

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Re: TeamSpeak Usage

Post by TheJuli » Tue Feb 11, 2014 6:43 pm

OfficerFlake wrote:I would personally be okay with people just showing bit more collateral respect in regards to moving to a seperate channel to discuss other business, and to not speak to themselves with the mic on...
I really agree with that. If you can do your talking to a different place and not disturb the main "Hall" that's fine by me.
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For the new rule about only YS and non-related stuff, that means we have to constantly talk all the time 100% YS. Sometimes in Ys we do something different maybe games, radio, talk shows, etc (Even though some of them haven't happened) to go out of the ordinary and feel a bit more "home". The teamspeak I use its a perfect place to spend my time with my YS buddies and not rarely we play some other games or disscuss about something that has nothing to do with Ys. I think banning it would make it more radical and honestly people would only join whenever they felt to play Ys. Sometimes even by talking about stuff, sparks a desire to play YS (happened to me). If this becomes a rule, frankly many people would be banned or constantly kicked ruining their TS Experience. It needs to be a bit more friendly go out of the ordinary a bit. Too strict is never good.

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Re: TeamSpeak Usage

Post by Nath » Tue Feb 11, 2014 7:35 pm

I have to agree with Juli, MD5 and Alpha. Not only is this a place that we go and talk about YS on, we're on here a majority of the time, the regulars are currently on this server right now, including myself. I can see that it can be an issue that people are just doing things that aren't relating to YSFlight, but this forum itself isn't always about YS, so why should the teamspeak be different. I mean, we spend a lot of time talking about YS and things like that, but there's no reason why we should really not talk about anything else on the server. It'd be kind of annoying/ awkward to have to go into another channel to talk about anything non YS related. It's not just about YS, like Juli said, we have conversations about anything, play music to each other in the Music Channel, show people our creations and things that are funny. We literally do anything on there that we would do on the forums, but there we can freely talk to each other for hours on end, if we want to.
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Re: TeamSpeak Usage

Post by Varren » Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:06 pm

Just want to pop in and say that the only reason the Teamspeak server exists in the first place is to allow people to chat via voice to each other while playing YSFlight to make the experience more enjoyable. Since then, its obviously expanded with things like the aforementioned music channel and whatnot but it's main purpose is the same - YSFlight. However, payment for this server is mostly coming from the community now in the means of donations. So I'm not too sure where I stand on this, maybe the community should decide what the server is for, and maybe they shouldn't as its actually harming the community.
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Re: TeamSpeak Usage

Post by Welshy » Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:17 pm

If I'm honest the off topic stuff gets on my nerves, more so when it's other games!

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Re: TeamSpeak Usage

Post by Alpha Star » Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:26 pm

If this stays, then the teampseak now, will die. Someone will go and make another server for us, and the YSFHQ one will die out. I don't want that to happen, but I think it will. Therefore wasted money.
I want to emphasize that the YSFlight community is not sufficient enough to support a team speak just for YSFlight. With many years of YSF experience, along with others, I know what a lot of new members want and do on teamspeak. Less than 30% of the time, we talk and play YSF.
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Re: TeamSpeak Usage

Post by wingzfan99 » Tue Feb 11, 2014 10:04 pm

Alpha Star wrote: I want to emphasize that the YSFlight community is not sufficient enough to support a team speak just for YSFlight.
We've only been doing so in some way, shape, or form for what, 3 years now? If you're saying that the discussion of other games is absolutely necessary for the survival of our Teamspeak server, then you're confirming exactly what Eric said in his post -- we have a problem with YSFlight as a game and need to work on reviving it.

I'm sorry, I just don't buy into this "the teamspeak will die if we don't talk about everything other than YS" thing. This has only recently become a problem, and I will say, almost every time I've been online in the past few weeks, it's been going on. Maybe Eric misspoke, because we're not saying if you talk about the weather you're going to be banned from the server -- what we're saying is that the main purpose of the TeamSpeak server is to communicate with others while sharing in the experience of YSFlight. If you want to throw in a quick discussion about something else, fine.

Let me illustrate it this way:

New Member: "Hi guys! I've never played this YSFlight game before, what server are you all on?"
People on TS: "Hey! We're not playing YS, we're playing this other really cool game called World of Tanks... wanna join?"
New Member: "Oh! Sure, that sounds fun!"

And now, they still haven't played YSFlight. Sure, our TS Server might survive, but the game won't.

Also, @Varren, as the person who's been monitoring the money, I believe about 90% of the donations, used to fund the server, come from like 4 or 5 individuals (full disclosure: I'm probably one of them).
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Re: TeamSpeak Usage

Post by Alpha Star » Tue Feb 11, 2014 10:37 pm

Ok, I can see why completely Wingzfan. I can understand the problem, and I may have over exaggerated a bit. :? I can understand why the game is dying. But we are still getting people. Charlie3tears I will use as an example. Saw him on a server, he said its his first time or one of the first times. I told him about YSFHQ and he has now got a squadron and he is now a regular on teamspeak. So there is hope there still, but we just need to play the game.
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Re: TeamSpeak Usage

Post by Dan » Tue Feb 11, 2014 10:41 pm

Let me illustrate it this way:

New Member: "Hi guys! I've never played this YSFlight game before, what server are you all on?"
People on TS: "Hey! We're not playing YS, we're playing this other really cool game called World of Tanks... wanna join?"
New Member: "Oh! Sure, that sounds fun!"

And now, they still haven't played YSFlight. Sure, our TS Server might survive, but the game.
Great example, I totally agree with this as it defeats the purpose of the YSFlight server. Every time I go on team speak I always make sure it's a reason to do with YSFlight, However I think if the staff made a decision to enforce this policy where would the boundaries be set? I mean what about YSFlight users who are modding or talking about YSFlight but are not flying on YSFlight?
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