We should have more airshows
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That fact won't be true anymore after this SaturdayPatrick31337 wrote:I think air shows happen just often enough right now.
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I would really encourage any of you to do the inquiring and figure out how you can run a show. I would love to support it when I can, but please don't expect us to pick up a bunch of slack either . . . I've had that asked of me and it's not quite fair.
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Things like that sound good in writing but NEVER work outNeurAxaL wrote:how about more of a community run airshow instead of putting all the pressure on one/two people? that way everyone would have a managebale amount (if they choose to take part) and would gain knowledge and experience in making their own.
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we've never tried it.Doggeh1 wrote:Things like that sound good in writing but NEVER work outNeurAxaL wrote:how about more of a community run airshow instead of putting all the pressure on one/two people? that way everyone would have a managebale amount (if they choose to take part) and would gain knowledge and experience in making their own.
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There are several ways to do it, but the fact is, I'm tired. I've been in YS for almost a decade fully active and doing a bit of everything from civilian to military but see little effort to maintain the momentum from others. All I've been wanting is to see someone else step up so I can guide them on the path to replace me. Right now, it looks like I'm it.
So, you want more air shows, do it. Don't wait on someone else to do it for you. There's a lot to gain from doing it yourself, especially if you're not yet in college. I started hosting when I got to college, so it's always been a challenge, but if I had done it in high school, it would've been a no-brainer.
To help with things a bit, Kujo and I are trying to get momentum in the YS Air Racing which requires a lot less setup than a show and we split the work nicely. It's also super easy to run and doesn't require all the hassle with downloads, catering to everyone's needs, etc. which gets totally annoying. I'm hoping that Kujo and I can host this once in a while between air shows since I think the air shows are only gonna be around maybe 2 or 3 times a year now.
Don't ask me about AirFest by the way. That's annoying too.
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I've also noticed that those who are experienced in airshows and how they work are the performers themselves. However through many airshows they become used to just performing. So I think a push in the right direction is to encourage the performers, rather than the entire community to host their own airshows, so as to allow greater success.
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Well I sort of tried a community run thing with the Philly Island show and it was mostly my work but it fell apart a bit when I tried to use the expertise of others and we had no idea how to co-ordinate.NeurAxaL wrote:we've never tried it.
It really is a one guy in command sort of thing.
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This hit the nail right on the head.NightRaven wrote:The thing is, however, those who actually post about having airshows apart from the main people are usually newbs who have barely joined or contributed anything. As such, there are lapses in their organisation of the event which are easy to pick at. Eventually it descends into flaming, which leads to the event being cancelled. While this does allow sub-par airshows to not happen, it also discourages others from organising such events as it appears that airshows not hosted by VNAF or Crow would fail right from the start.
I've also noticed that those who are experienced in airshows and how they work are the performers themselves. However through many airshows they become used to just performing. So I think a push in the right direction is to encourage the performers, rather than the entire community to host their own airshows, so as to allow greater success.
As VNAF has made apparent, I've been quite busy lately with real-life air show items and have had little motivation to put on an event this year. Don't get me wrong - it's a fact, that air shows in this community do boost involvement and activity. It makes for an avenue for people to get online to actually do something, and know that it will be enjoyable and hands on. This goes far beyond the event day itself, as many teams (i.e. Blue Dolphins) practice for days coming up to the show date.
If anyone is truly interested in hosting a show, please let me know and CC VNAF as well. I will be more than happy to walk you through everything that is needed to run a successful event. I have been in need to put together a tutorial and I may look into doing that soon, so that the reigns can be passed along. Unfortunately, as noted above; new members seemed to get thrown to the curb because they have never attended an actual virtual air show. While I can understand some of it, it's also good to bring new ideas and let them create the avenue to get activity going.
I am glad that VNAF and myself have set a standard, and hope others can work towards that standard - however not all can do that, and we cannot get so upset when things aren't perfectly set up to those standards. An old-fashioned get online at this time air show without narration and music can still be fun in YS.
I think the biggest issue is something that underlies the entire community - no one wants to step up and do anything about it. I am thrilled to see interest in this and to be honest, I totally agree. There should be more shows. Don't VNAF and myself your only options. If I'm free, I'll fly in your show, and I'm sure a lot of people will, too.
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This is about where I'm at. While Alpha has his annual Warbird & Light Aviation Show, and we've collaborated several times, VCAP is now the go-to group for hosting. But, to tell the truth: after RIAT '21, I originally had no intention of hosting more than one or two shows a year. At the time, as far as we knew, VCAP (then YSMAA) would only be one of three active organizations hosting HQ airshows, along YSAC and YSAA. As 2021 came to a close, though, and we entered 2022, it pretty quickly became obvious: Alpha and I were it. Gordo and I made the decision to rebrand YSMAA as VCAP primarily out of necessity, knowing that, if we were going to steer YS aerobatics for the foreseeable future, our "military-only" theme wouldn't cut it.VNAF ONE wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2015 10:50 pm While that is mostly true, it's still concerning that Crow and I are trying to step back but there's a lot of pressure on us since we're the only ones who run air shows presently (actually now it's basically just me...for now). No one is willing to step up and take a legitimate attempt to do it. Yes, it does require a bit of set-up but it can be done on one computer and a good internet connection, which some people here do have. It's also possible to use a VPS which I've also done before to relieve pressure off my internet bandwidth.
There are several ways to do it, but the fact is, I'm tired. I've been in YS for almost a decade fully active and doing a bit of everything from civilian to military but see little effort to maintain the momentum from others. All I've been wanting is to see someone else step up so I can guide them on the path to replace me. Right now, it looks like I'm it.
So, you want more air shows, do it. Don't wait on someone else to do it for you. There's a lot to gain from doing it yourself, especially if you're not yet in college. I started hosting when I got to college, so it's always been a challenge, but if I had done it in high school, it would've been a no-brainer.
All of this is to say that I've come into the position of this community's aerobatics "leader" not by choice, but because no one else was able to, and predictably, I came into it very underprepared. My specialty from the very beginning has always been in trying to put on some of the best solo performances this community has to offer - and with anything beyond that, you might have noticed that I'm not the best at it, to say the least. Most of my efforts as a live host have been the result of studying the past works of Crow, and applying it the best an autistic, anxiety-riddled college student ever could.
The good news is that, despite this fact, we have a handful of newer people on the roster of VCAP that are likely here to stay in the YS community for a long time. I'm now in the process of integrating the Viper boys, Gordo and Mustang, more into the behind-the-scenes workings of VCAP, and us three are preparing to act as a full hosting team as we continue into the 2023 season. These two bring a vital combined skillset to the table that I've lacked this whole time, and in the event that something should happen to take me out of activity, both of them are preparing to become hosts in their own right. This will also allow us to host more shows than last year, so if this is what you wanted, you may very well have it!
With that said, though: the more hands on deck, the better! If you want YS aerobatics to get a boost in activity, then VNAF said it best: it's up to you to make it happen. Crow and I have separately written our own beginner guides on how to host shows, and if you want to take your own stab at it, I'm more than willing to help out in some way (especially if you want me as your narrator - that's turning out to be more fun than I expected!). If you're daring enough, you can even try your hand at making a new aerobatic team worthy of a headliner position. Whatever it is, we at VCAP are interested in seeing how it goes.
And until the time comes that we see some change in the current aerobatics landscape: let's get to some damn flying! I have no intention of quitting any time soon, not as a pilot or a host, but if we're gonna continue onward, we better have some good performances to go with it!
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