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Post by lorDuckFeet » Tue May 31, 2016 11:10 am

Please see the last post.
STAFF and Pilots: With sad news we are officially closed forever. By the request of real world Atlantic Airlines we must close.

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Re: Atlantic YSFlight VA

Post by YSFan » Thu Jun 02, 2016 2:17 pm

When will the 767s, DC8s and MD80s be added to the AAVA fleet?

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Re: Lieverex Airlines VA

Post by lorDuckFeet » Thu Jun 02, 2016 4:05 pm

YSFan: TBA
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Re: Atlantic YSFlight VA

Post by tweakdeveloper » Thu Jun 02, 2016 5:52 pm

How much experience is necessary to fly with you? I can take off and land, albeit not very well. :(

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Re: AAVA

Post by lorDuckFeet » Thu Jun 02, 2016 7:17 pm

@ tweakdeveloper Hello tweakdeveloper nice to meet you, well, that's not a problem, the most important thing is the respect.
No problem :D
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Due to copyrights laws of the United States of America and to prevent Copyright Troubles with the real world airlines [e. g. Atlantic Airlines] I decided to change all relative with AAVA (now it's nothing).
Thanks to Atlantic Airlines Support and Boeing Intellectual Property Management.
Trademark and Copyright Licensing.
Our wiki page will be deleted, Please uinstall our fleet.
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Re: AAVA

Post by Nodoka Hanamura » Thu Jun 02, 2016 11:24 pm

Let this incident be a lesson for all VA, be it in YSFlight or otherwise - If you decide to use the likeness of a actual airline, don't be surprised if they come to you with a cease and desist order.

Nonetheless, it's sad to see this happen, regardless of the circumstances.
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Re: AAVA

Post by Neocon » Thu Jun 02, 2016 11:55 pm

You mean they actually found you and shut you down that fast? That's pretty fast legal action from an airline I literally didn't know existed until you posted about it.

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Re: AAVA

Post by Doggeh1 » Fri Jun 03, 2016 12:32 am

Nodoka Hanamura wrote:Let this incident be a lesson for all VA, be it in YSFlight or otherwise
What incident if I may ask?
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Re: AAVA

Post by lorDuckFeet » Fri Jun 03, 2016 9:47 am

Patrick31337 wrote:You mean they actually found you and shut you down that fast? That's pretty fast legal action from an airline I literally didn't know existed until you posted about it.
I received an email of General Office, some d%$g client has been confusing about the VA and Real ones. But I don't want any legal process, so we decided to close.
@Nodoka Hanamura You are absolutely right.

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Re: AAVA

Post by Nodoka Hanamura » Fri Jun 03, 2016 2:24 pm

Doggeh1 wrote:
Nodoka Hanamura wrote:Let this incident be a lesson for all VA, be it in YSFlight or otherwise
What incident if I may ask?
The Incident pertaining to this VA's shutdown.
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Re: AAVA

Post by Neocon » Fri Jun 03, 2016 3:32 pm

I looked up Atlantic Airlines and found some small airline in the UK that has 14 aircraft, and none of them look like yours. Was your airline fictional or based on that airline?

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Re: AAVA

Post by lorDuckFeet » Fri Jun 03, 2016 4:24 pm

Patrick31337 wrote:I looked up Atlantic Airlines and found some small airline in the UK that has 14 aircraft, and none of them look like yours. Was your airline fictional or based on that airline?
Since the start has Fictional.
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Re: AAVA

Post by u2fly » Fri Jun 03, 2016 4:50 pm

So its not closed by request, but you decide close for prevent by yourself.
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Re: AAVA

Post by lorDuckFeet » Fri Jun 03, 2016 5:01 pm

u2fly wrote:So its not closed by request, but you decide close for prevent by yourself.
I contacted the General Office and we concluded to close this VA.

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Re: AAVA

Post by Neocon » Fri Jun 03, 2016 6:22 pm

I looked them up. General Office apparently owns a Cessna with the word "Atlantic" on the side. You are very polite agreeing to General Office's request. They do, indeed, claim to have the name "Atlantic Airlines" trademarked, but as I've said, there is also an Atlantic Airlines operating out of the UK and I'm sure they are trademarked there.
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Re: AAVA

Post by jetskit » Fri Jun 03, 2016 6:29 pm

Very mature of you Lucas to take the initiative and shut down. I remember trying to contact easy jet before penguin airways was born as we were planning on opening an easy VA, to their requests we didn't. Always follow what the real life airlines say unless they allow you to use their name folks!
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Re: AAVA

Post by Neocon » Fri Jun 03, 2016 6:41 pm

I'm not trying to stir up trouble, but I don't like the idea of people being pushed around for no reason. It's one thing for a real-world airline to protect their brand and trademarks from unauthorized virtual replications, but this company seems to think they are the only company in the world that can have the words "Atlantic Airlines" in their name when there are many other airlines that do. Atlantic Airlines Virtual Airline with a 737 with a fictional livery is not the same as a VA based on Atlantic Airlines with a C172 in a completely different livery. General Office's website doesn't even come up on the first two pages of results on Google.

Like I said, Lucas, you were very polite. I would send notice to the Atlantic Airlines home office in the UK and let them know some guy with a Cessna is claiming to own their name.

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Re: AAVA

Post by Barr » Fri Jun 03, 2016 7:36 pm

Key here is to first contact the legal dept of the airline you wish to copy. Many big VAs like the delta and hawaiin airlines have done this. But since you created it first and assumed it was non existent, though I totally see why you did, they have rights to their name.

If you really want to keep your name you should check the name/trademark patent to see if it covers any variations and contact the legal dept just to make sure. But to be honest I wouldn't bother just to avoid problems. Plenty of other cool names you can use.

I remember this being a problem back during the yspilots days too. But we did have the northwest va.
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Re: AAVA

Post by Gunny » Fri Jun 03, 2016 8:21 pm

Back when I made my first Alaska scenery I tried to get permission to use the Alaskan Airways Logo and trademarks.All I got was a runaround and in the end they wanted $10,000.00 a year licenceing fee.Even after I assured them that there would be no moneys generated by my use of them and that public exposer would be minimal at the vary least.Hence no Gunny related va for Alaska.My plan was to ask Pat [NCA] to go into a limited partnership since his project Rowe was the basis for the Alaska scenery.But as they say the best laid plans of mice and men often go astray ;)
The moral of the story being do not get involved with real world airlines legal departments.They will tie you up in red tape and throw you under the wheels of a 747.
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Re: AAVA

Post by Nodoka Hanamura » Fri Jun 03, 2016 11:15 pm

Gunny wrote:Back when I made my first Alaska scenery I tried to get permission to use the Alaskan Airways Logo and trademarks.All I got was a runaround and in the end they wanted $10,000.00 a year licenceing fee.Even after I assured them that there would be no moneys generated by my use of them and that public exposer would be minimal at the vary least.Hence no Gunny related va for Alaska.My plan was to ask Pat [NCA] to go into a limited partnership since his project Rowe was the basis for the Alaska scenery.But as they say the best laid plans of mice and men often go astray ;)
The moral of the story being do not get involved with real world airlines legal departments.They will tie you up in red tape and throw you under the wheels of a 747.
As someone who's not too fond of copyright or trademarks as a whole - I can safely say I'd stick a wrench in the retraction mechanism before they crush me as a final middle finger. :twisted:
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